What I don't understand is why people think there has to be additional housing in Davis. EVERYone knows what it's like to rent, lease or buy a home. There are X-many on the market and you can choose from them, wait until something else comes on the market or shop elsewhere. The desirability of a location means there are fewer to chose from . . . period! Why should we help make developers rich while clogging our roads?
Indeed, with mortgage rates stubbornly high, there are a number of homes on the market. And way more "For Rent" signs on apartment buildings than there used to be.
Within all governance of a place there is this need for balance between individual sovereignty and the common good. They tend to be in conflict with each other. More freedom for individuals to do what they want can, at times, have a negative impact on the common good. Ideally people get to support or oppose rules that benefit them, but not at the cost of material harm to the common good.
Material harm to the common good is the situation we find ourselves in today.
Too many people like you are demanding we keep building a farmland and natural land moat around Davis and reject any and all peripheral development on the remaining acres that can be developed. Because you like Davis the way it is and are fearful of it changing and fearful that it might result in a drop in your home value.
But Davis is already a mess of harm to the common good from near 30 years since Measure J and O was passed.
Davis is the most population dense small city (6,600 people per square mile) in California and most of the US. Especially when considering the open land surrounding it, Davis is, in fact, a freak of all small cities. We are beset with traffic jams, parking problem in our small downtown and the city generates less than half of the sales tax revenue of all comparable cities. Grade schools are closing. There are fewer and fewer young families living here. There is not enough commercial space and there is not enough housing supply.
I have lived in Davis for over 45 years. It is clear that a small group of selfish people have managed to exploit the mistakes of Measure J and Measure O to get their way in blocking development in Davis. I have been here long enough to prove that their claim to support the alternative of dense infill is a lie as when a project gets proposed in their neighborhood, they jump to oppose that too.
In all communities there is a population or people fearful of change. They also tend to be older people... studies have proven that the older we get, the more adverse to change we become. Davis has been growing older. In almost all cases the future of change to a community from development is much less negatively impactful than those people feared, and in fact, often results in the opposite... a more vibrant and healthier city with more amenities and a stronger tax base to pay for ongoing maintenance of roads, parks and programs for the citizens.
With the failure of Measure V, Davis NYMBYs have finally destroyed their privilege to behave responsibly at the seat of the table to participate in the future of Davis peripheral development. And along with that, they will have destroyed much of the leverage that the city had to gain amenities from developers.
The state is absolutely going to move on eliminating local voter control over peripheral development.
Far too few people to decide something This Big. The no growth people just marketed better...
Measure J/etc. was dumb. Some things are not best decided by committee. The better marketing, the more shifts will be eaten.Because a thousand flies cannot be wrong.
... A thousand flies can ...Be wrong.
State development decision-making takeover will be the proof. When you're talking about the cost of the housing per unit, toxicity in the area, traffic jams? The NIMBY talking points? The State won't give..., um, a flying leap. Why? Because those can be mitigated and managed; the priority is housing.
I make fresh popcorn every time every time these growth, no growth battles, presents itself since measure j.
Why do we use 18th-century voting technology? Delays in results give folks time to doubt those results.
Face ID, …online elections. No paper ballots,no envelopes, no going to the voting place to do your civic duty. Vote from the bar in your cruise ship. No manual counting, no schlepping ballots between groups of volunteers, no waiting for the last votes to be counted, at the exact millisecond of the voting day. It’s over. If you are late, it doesn’t count.
After you vote, nobody can vote using that Face ID.
The real-time results are on line at the top margin.
When there is “delay in the count” , that means “we are adjusting the results to match our expectations.
Well, well, that is fine, but it is all on line is hackable,but our 1820 voting methods are not?
Folks that don’t have the gear and the communication resources to vote. Can find a public building within the jurisdiction. Holding the election or an ATM like device in public spaces.
What I don't understand is why people think there has to be additional housing in Davis. EVERYone knows what it's like to rent, lease or buy a home. There are X-many on the market and you can choose from them, wait until something else comes on the market or shop elsewhere. The desirability of a location means there are fewer to chose from . . . period! Why should we help make developers rich while clogging our roads?
Indeed, with mortgage rates stubbornly high, there are a number of homes on the market. And way more "For Rent" signs on apartment buildings than there used to be.
Oh geesh. NIMBYism at its finest.
Within all governance of a place there is this need for balance between individual sovereignty and the common good. They tend to be in conflict with each other. More freedom for individuals to do what they want can, at times, have a negative impact on the common good. Ideally people get to support or oppose rules that benefit them, but not at the cost of material harm to the common good.
Material harm to the common good is the situation we find ourselves in today.
Too many people like you are demanding we keep building a farmland and natural land moat around Davis and reject any and all peripheral development on the remaining acres that can be developed. Because you like Davis the way it is and are fearful of it changing and fearful that it might result in a drop in your home value.
But Davis is already a mess of harm to the common good from near 30 years since Measure J and O was passed.
Davis is the most population dense small city (6,600 people per square mile) in California and most of the US. Especially when considering the open land surrounding it, Davis is, in fact, a freak of all small cities. We are beset with traffic jams, parking problem in our small downtown and the city generates less than half of the sales tax revenue of all comparable cities. Grade schools are closing. There are fewer and fewer young families living here. There is not enough commercial space and there is not enough housing supply.
I have lived in Davis for over 45 years. It is clear that a small group of selfish people have managed to exploit the mistakes of Measure J and Measure O to get their way in blocking development in Davis. I have been here long enough to prove that their claim to support the alternative of dense infill is a lie as when a project gets proposed in their neighborhood, they jump to oppose that too.
In all communities there is a population or people fearful of change. They also tend to be older people... studies have proven that the older we get, the more adverse to change we become. Davis has been growing older. In almost all cases the future of change to a community from development is much less negatively impactful than those people feared, and in fact, often results in the opposite... a more vibrant and healthier city with more amenities and a stronger tax base to pay for ongoing maintenance of roads, parks and programs for the citizens.
With the failure of Measure V, Davis NYMBYs have finally destroyed their privilege to behave responsibly at the seat of the table to participate in the future of Davis peripheral development. And along with that, they will have destroyed much of the leverage that the city had to gain amenities from developers.
The state is absolutely going to move on eliminating local voter control over peripheral development.
Great job Davis NIMBYs!
Far too few people to decide something This Big. The no growth people just marketed better...
Measure J/etc. was dumb. Some things are not best decided by committee. The better marketing, the more shifts will be eaten.Because a thousand flies cannot be wrong.
... A thousand flies can ...Be wrong.
State development decision-making takeover will be the proof. When you're talking about the cost of the housing per unit, toxicity in the area, traffic jams? The NIMBY talking points? The State won't give..., um, a flying leap. Why? Because those can be mitigated and managed; the priority is housing.
I make fresh popcorn every time every time these growth, no growth battles, presents itself since measure j.
...for a half century really. IYKYK...
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Why do we use 18th-century voting technology? Delays in results give folks time to doubt those results.
Face ID, …online elections. No paper ballots,no envelopes, no going to the voting place to do your civic duty. Vote from the bar in your cruise ship. No manual counting, no schlepping ballots between groups of volunteers, no waiting for the last votes to be counted, at the exact millisecond of the voting day. It’s over. If you are late, it doesn’t count.
After you vote, nobody can vote using that Face ID.
The real-time results are on line at the top margin.
When there is “delay in the count” , that means “we are adjusting the results to match our expectations.
Well, well, that is fine, but it is all on line is hackable,but our 1820 voting methods are not?
Folks that don’t have the gear and the communication resources to vote. Can find a public building within the jurisdiction. Holding the election or an ATM like device in public spaces.
…even when the debate has come to rest…it rages on in a fitful sleep…